26th Aug 2011, JLU ordered to stop using their spyware!
[16:46] Kara Timtam via comm: Kara Timtam | Justice Island <63,160,29> | 2011-08-26 4:30pm | Brainiac is hacked again, but will that stop us? Watch public areas for trouble please. - c11f46c08802522bcc7f50b59f3e186f
[16:47] Kara Timtam: Okay. We are not allowed to use our databases for inworld investigations anymore.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: They may have robbed us of this tool but the LEAGUE survives.
[16:48] Emiley Tomsen: We don't scan IPs though.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: That is true, and we never did.
[16:48] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: Kal will write a note card on the exact orders from LL.
[16:49] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: The League has not been shut down
[16:49] Kara Kent [Kara Timtam]: Hold on to that.
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Kalel Venkman: Oh, also, before we wrap up here, I wanted to say that the chances of them actually getting another copy of the BWiki are slim to none at this point. The first time was because we didn't take much trouble about hiding the presence of the site from the world and relied on a simple password check, which they managed to bypass.
Kalel Venkman: That bug has been fixed long ago.
Kalel Venkman: Years.
Kalel Venkman: The second time was when I bypassed our usual protocols and gave an infiltrator access to it. And again, we've changed our admissions policies and upgraded our procedures to the point where this too is not likely to happen a second time.
Kalel Venkman: The last thing they can try is to hack our server itself, and we've already caught them trying this - and failing. They were trying to exploit a bug in our web sites that we patched two years ago.
Maverick Grunfeld: It is possible to happen, but would require a 1. long standing resident involved and aroudn league members and 2. bad references from people around the table.
ZenMondo Wormser: I just have to say "Pride goeth before the fall" but I think we are more secrure these days.
Maverick Grunfeld: So, as always, before giving somebody a blessing here, make sure you've known them well for a very long time.
Vagabond Carter: right
Kalel Venkman: So stay alert, but on the other hand, don't drink the Kool-Aid. Tux has been bragging about how he had a mole in the League for over a year now, and if he actually had one, he'd have acted on information he uncovered that way, and all we've seen from him is guesswork based on a 1-3/4 year old partial copy of our wiki.
Kalel Venkman: So he's got nothing, and we know it.
Saturday, September 3, 2011
Thursday, September 1, 2011
Wednesday, August 31, 2011
JLU not concerned about another Wiki leak
JLU are not concerned about another Wiki leak.
[08:41:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The big news this morning is that Nicholas Mafia has broken into somebody's system - they haven't said who yet - and they've downloaded 80,000+ pages of something they're not supposed to have.
[08:41:48] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): oh dear lord
[08:41:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have no idea who the victim is yet.
[08:41:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I wonder if it's us again
[08:42:00] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): you checked the logs, yes?
[08:42:08] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know it's not US, because we don't have 80,000 pages of anything.
[08:42:11] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Ah
[08:42:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I checked the logs, yes.
[08:42:19] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Yes, Kalel has been monitoring our logs anyway, just in case they were exaggerating
[08:42:39] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, it seems its only a matter of time until Atlas does something illegal enough to merit attention of the bar association.
[08:42:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And apart from my own backup operations, there's nothing in there to suggest that anybody who isn't supposed to be there has been downloading mass quantities of anything.
[08:43:08] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Law practice is a position of high public trust, Commiting crimes while in the profession is the height of hypocrisy
[08:44:08] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): *supposedly*, LulzSec is disbanding. Oh, yeah, I believe that one...NOT.
[08:44:43] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Translation: One of us got arrested: We're going to lay low a bit
[08:45:04] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): LulzSec broke into the Arizona Department of Public Safety and stole several emails. They said they were suspending activities but I didn't hear they were disbanding.
[08:45:20] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): here is a story about it LulzSec Calls it Quits
[08:45:29] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): said they were disbanding, they "reached the end of their 50-day cruise"
[08:45:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And some agoraphobic (and predictably antisocial) 19 year old got arrested.
[08:45:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Uh huh.
[08:46:06] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): a haxx04 who CLAIMS he has "Aspergers".
[08:46:10] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): The FBI is cooperating with Scotland Yard (which itself is taking a hard line towards cyber crime)
[08:46:13] Bobkoe Nirvana: saw your note on email..just got in..forgive me for wearing wrong costume today
[08:46:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Was there an arrest, really?
[08:46:19] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): You don't have Aspergers, you're just a dick.
[08:46:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): THAT could be why Tux is laying low
[08:47:01] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Okay we were talking about Nicholas Mafia, right?
[08:47:03] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I kind of doubt it - Tux is in another country, and believes himself untouchable.
[08:47:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Sort of both, but in particular Nicholas Mafia.
[08:47:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Thanks for pulling us back on topic, Hal.
[08:47:34] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): You're welcome
[08:47:35] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Except that several arrests have taken place in England: three of whom were Anons
[08:47:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And Scotland Yard is going after cybr criminals with some initiative, it seems.
[08:48:18] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And the lkaw, it seems, is being amended to reflect a harder line
[08:48:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *aw
[08:48:27] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *law (pickles)
[08:48:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): So as far as what Nicholas Mafia is doing, all we can do is wait along with the rest of the community to see what they're actually doing.
[08:49:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know that Atlas Saintlouis closely involved with Nicholas Mafia, and we have some conflicting information as to whether he was summarily responsible for their financial resources.
[08:50:33] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Financial resources. I've heard of those
[08:50:34] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have stayed away from sending spies into the Nicholas mafia because it's a rat's nest of roleplay and ambiguous situations.
[08:50:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It would be hard to be effective there.
[08:50:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, rival mafia groups aew attacking each other
[08:51:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've been seeing that a lot - it's not Hacktivism, it's rival gangs attacking one another.
[08:51:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And trying to dress it up in a wig and a dress.
[08:51:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Exactly. And Hacktivism is just lulz with a new name.
[08:51:50] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Their own boards admit that
[08:52:02] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Is that so, Shay?
[08:52:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[08:52:21] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Can you find a URL that shows a quote?
[08:52:23] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): So I read, but accounts-predictably-conflict
[08:52:45] Kohaku Owatatsumi: YMMV
[08:53:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): As usual with anarchic groups, they do not act as one - given all possible courses of action, they simply choose all of them simultaneously.
[08:53:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A hard learned lesson from our battles with the Patriotic Nigras.
[08:53:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And they clearly DO have a leadership structure of sorts, one that mocks the canon fodder who buy into the whole anonymous myth
[08:54:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've unfortunately got not a lot we can do for the moment.
[08:54:30] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've reported it to the FBI and we hope they're paying attention, but there's no way to tell.
[08:54:48] Bobkoe Nirvana: wow.
[08:54:57] Bobkoe Nirvana: never know what to expect in second life
[08:56:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A third party by the name of Blindstarebodine Braham is trying to lure Tux into divulging information to a friend of his.
[08:56:22] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Or rather, via a friend of his.
[08:56:25] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Hooboy
[08:56:33] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): That name is familiar
[08:56:40] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Yup-internicene rivalry
[08:56:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And so far, this person has gotten some information - not a lot very useful, but there are tidbits.
[08:57:29] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Ballers City person. I think I talked to him when I was trying to get us into that sim for patrolling.
[08:58:26] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Yup, March of 2010
[08:59:16] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Goes hand in hand with my own theory that hard core serial griefers are usually compensating for some real life issue or pathology
[08:59:26] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But it's indicative of the quality of the information being extracted.
[08:59:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, Ballers City.
[08:59:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He has a very very high regard for the League, by the way.
[08:59:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Good
[09:00:08] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): He does. He contacted me first when I was scouting the place.
[09:00:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I only go to Ballers Ciy in an alt-it's become Griefer central (tm)
[09:00:19] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He also furnished us with the names of a couple of Tux alts.
[09:00:22] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): prism is simply a function that converges the images between the two lenses when you have trouble with focal convergence.
[09:00:56] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): I have prism incorporated in my own prescription because of that. It's not uncommon.
[09:01:11] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, but in his case it's dramatic and severe.
[09:01:26] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): ANyway, I wonder if Tux is laying low because he may have had some link to one of those hackers arrested in the UK and is trying to lay low? Or worse: did his wife catch on?
[09:01:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I don't think his wife cares at all, to be frank.
[09:01:53] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Could be.
[09:02:14] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): But consider this: many teen hackers and some adults do what they do without the knowedge of their families.
[09:02:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, we're getting information from that quarter, but it's very slow going, and for obvious reasons.
[09:02:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We should know more in two or three weeks - maybe enough to give us what we need to get Tux the attention from the authorities he probably needs.
[09:03:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I hope so. Maybe he's had a brush with the authorities already. That's my personal theory. It would explain his sudden comparatrive quietness
[09:04:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Bodine suggests that there's a good chance that Tux is involved in this big breakin somehow.
[09:04:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): No surprise.
[09:04:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): His alts apparently have some sort of ties to Nicholas Mafia.
[09:04:58] Bobkoe Nirvana: too bizarre
[09:05:14] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): If he suddenly had his machines confiscated by police forensic agents, I would cry bitter and salty tears of sympathy
[09:05:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I know I shouldn't be surprised that all these thugs all know each other and that this whole mess is intertwined like a plateful of garden snakes.
[09:05:30] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
[08:41:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The big news this morning is that Nicholas Mafia has broken into somebody's system - they haven't said who yet - and they've downloaded 80,000+ pages of something they're not supposed to have.
[08:41:48] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): oh dear lord
[08:41:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have no idea who the victim is yet.
[08:41:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I wonder if it's us again
[08:42:00] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): you checked the logs, yes?
[08:42:08] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know it's not US, because we don't have 80,000 pages of anything.
[08:42:11] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Ah
[08:42:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I checked the logs, yes.
[08:42:19] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Yes, Kalel has been monitoring our logs anyway, just in case they were exaggerating
[08:42:39] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, it seems its only a matter of time until Atlas does something illegal enough to merit attention of the bar association.
[08:42:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And apart from my own backup operations, there's nothing in there to suggest that anybody who isn't supposed to be there has been downloading mass quantities of anything.
[08:43:08] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Law practice is a position of high public trust, Commiting crimes while in the profession is the height of hypocrisy
[08:44:08] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): *supposedly*, LulzSec is disbanding. Oh, yeah, I believe that one...NOT.
[08:44:43] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Translation: One of us got arrested: We're going to lay low a bit
[08:45:04] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): LulzSec broke into the Arizona Department of Public Safety and stole several emails. They said they were suspending activities but I didn't hear they were disbanding.
[08:45:20] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): here is a story about it LulzSec Calls it Quits
[08:45:29] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): said they were disbanding, they "reached the end of their 50-day cruise"
[08:45:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And some agoraphobic (and predictably antisocial) 19 year old got arrested.
[08:45:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Uh huh.
[08:46:06] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): a haxx04 who CLAIMS he has "Aspergers".
[08:46:10] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): The FBI is cooperating with Scotland Yard (which itself is taking a hard line towards cyber crime)
[08:46:13] Bobkoe Nirvana: saw your note on email..just got in..forgive me for wearing wrong costume today
[08:46:13] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Was there an arrest, really?
[08:46:19] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): You don't have Aspergers, you're just a dick.
[08:46:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): THAT could be why Tux is laying low
[08:47:01] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Okay we were talking about Nicholas Mafia, right?
[08:47:03] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I kind of doubt it - Tux is in another country, and believes himself untouchable.
[08:47:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Sort of both, but in particular Nicholas Mafia.
[08:47:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Thanks for pulling us back on topic, Hal.
[08:47:34] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): You're welcome
[08:47:35] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Except that several arrests have taken place in England: three of whom were Anons
[08:47:57] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And Scotland Yard is going after cybr criminals with some initiative, it seems.
[08:48:18] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And the lkaw, it seems, is being amended to reflect a harder line
[08:48:22] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *aw
[08:48:27] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): *law (pickles)
[08:48:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): So as far as what Nicholas Mafia is doing, all we can do is wait along with the rest of the community to see what they're actually doing.
[08:49:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We know that Atlas Saintlouis closely involved with Nicholas Mafia, and we have some conflicting information as to whether he was summarily responsible for their financial resources.
[08:50:33] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Financial resources. I've heard of those
[08:50:34] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We have stayed away from sending spies into the Nicholas mafia because it's a rat's nest of roleplay and ambiguous situations.
[08:50:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It would be hard to be effective there.
[08:50:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Well, rival mafia groups aew attacking each other
[08:51:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've been seeing that a lot - it's not Hacktivism, it's rival gangs attacking one another.
[08:51:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And trying to dress it up in a wig and a dress.
[08:51:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Exactly. And Hacktivism is just lulz with a new name.
[08:51:50] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Their own boards admit that
[08:52:02] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Is that so, Shay?
[08:52:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[08:52:21] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Can you find a URL that shows a quote?
[08:52:23] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): So I read, but accounts-predictably-conflict
[08:52:45] Kohaku Owatatsumi: YMMV
[08:53:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): As usual with anarchic groups, they do not act as one - given all possible courses of action, they simply choose all of them simultaneously.
[08:53:36] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A hard learned lesson from our battles with the Patriotic Nigras.
[08:53:37] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): And they clearly DO have a leadership structure of sorts, one that mocks the canon fodder who buy into the whole anonymous myth
[08:54:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've unfortunately got not a lot we can do for the moment.
[08:54:30] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We've reported it to the FBI and we hope they're paying attention, but there's no way to tell.
[08:54:48] Bobkoe Nirvana: wow.
[08:54:57] Bobkoe Nirvana: never know what to expect in second life
[08:56:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A third party by the name of Blindstarebodine Braham is trying to lure Tux into divulging information to a friend of his.
[08:56:22] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Or rather, via a friend of his.
[08:56:25] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Hooboy
[08:56:33] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): That name is familiar
[08:56:40] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Yup-internicene rivalry
[08:56:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And so far, this person has gotten some information - not a lot very useful, but there are tidbits.
[08:57:29] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Ballers City person. I think I talked to him when I was trying to get us into that sim for patrolling.
[08:58:26] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Yup, March of 2010
[08:59:16] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Goes hand in hand with my own theory that hard core serial griefers are usually compensating for some real life issue or pathology
[08:59:26] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But it's indicative of the quality of the information being extracted.
[08:59:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, Ballers City.
[08:59:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He has a very very high regard for the League, by the way.
[08:59:55] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Good
[09:00:08] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): He does. He contacted me first when I was scouting the place.
[09:00:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I only go to Ballers Ciy in an alt-it's become Griefer central (tm)
[09:00:19] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He also furnished us with the names of a couple of Tux alts.
[09:00:22] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): prism is simply a function that converges the images between the two lenses when you have trouble with focal convergence.
[09:00:56] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): I have prism incorporated in my own prescription because of that. It's not uncommon.
[09:01:11] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, but in his case it's dramatic and severe.
[09:01:26] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): ANyway, I wonder if Tux is laying low because he may have had some link to one of those hackers arrested in the UK and is trying to lay low? Or worse: did his wife catch on?
[09:01:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I don't think his wife cares at all, to be frank.
[09:01:53] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): Could be.
[09:02:14] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): But consider this: many teen hackers and some adults do what they do without the knowedge of their families.
[09:02:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, we're getting information from that quarter, but it's very slow going, and for obvious reasons.
[09:02:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We should know more in two or three weeks - maybe enough to give us what we need to get Tux the attention from the authorities he probably needs.
[09:03:38] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): I hope so. Maybe he's had a brush with the authorities already. That's my personal theory. It would explain his sudden comparatrive quietness
[09:04:06] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Bodine suggests that there's a good chance that Tux is involved in this big breakin somehow.
[09:04:15] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): No surprise.
[09:04:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): His alts apparently have some sort of ties to Nicholas Mafia.
[09:04:58] Bobkoe Nirvana: too bizarre
[09:05:14] Jenny Everywhere (siobhan.mccallen): If he suddenly had his machines confiscated by police forensic agents, I would cry bitter and salty tears of sympathy
[09:05:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I know I shouldn't be surprised that all these thugs all know each other and that this whole mess is intertwined like a plateful of garden snakes.
[09:05:30] Shayera Hol (samantha.lowell): BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
A family friend becomes a Linden
[2011-05-08 18:12:57] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They certainly don't allow people in the server rooms.
[2011-05-08 18:13:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The only thing I can think of is the upcoming SLCC, Second Life what is it, Citizen's Convention?
[2011-05-08 18:13:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Last year they hosted a griefer hospitality suite, because a few of them are alcoholics.
[2011-05-08 18:14:07] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): ommunity convention [2011-05-08 18:14:14] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): *community
[2011-05-08 18:14:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And they defaced the Linden Lab building on Battery Street.
[2011-05-08 18:14:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): However, Linden Lab has been alerted that they might do this again this year, thanks to a connection Kara and I have.
[2011-05-08 18:15:18] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): I think they would have thought of it anyway, honestly.
[2011-05-08 18:15:24] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Hm, I wonder. How many of us Leaguers go onto the Beta Grid and patrol?
[2011-05-08 18:15:28] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): Hopefully this year if they pull the stunt, LL actually calls the cops instead of allowing them to deface private property
[2011-05-08 18:16:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Unfortunately getting information in and out of the Woodbury clan is difficult these days, due to the fact that they do almost everything in Skype now.
[2011-05-08 18:16:56] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Sounds like you need an Outsider. ;)
[2011-05-08 18:17:20] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Maybe so, Kami
[2011-05-08 18:18:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I think that's about it, actually.
[2011-05-08 18:18:43] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): But let us stop for a moment and question the legality of this - Hi, Tsu - before we do anything. Would it be legal for someone to go in and expose them, then spread said ifnormation all around Second Life? Even if it is for a good cause?
[2011-05-08 18:18:53] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Brilliant timing, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:19:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I've been speaking with Atlwolf Blabbermouth about the problem he was having with the Phantom Zone, and it turns out that he couldn't perform a local override of a global ban placed by the League.
[2011-05-08 18:19:10] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): *Ears perk*
[2011-05-08 18:19:16] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Atlwolf,huh? LOL.
[2011-05-08 18:19:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh, no, it wouldn't be ToS compliant to distribute that information in-world.
[2011-05-08 18:19:39] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Kami, no. Serious TOS violation, called "disclosure".
[2011-05-08 18:19:47] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): What about warning a Lidnen Lab employee about a potential attack?
[2011-05-08 18:19:57] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Done that, but offine.
[2011-05-08 18:19:59] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): offline
[2011-05-08 18:20:16] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That would be fine, and we've already told our Linden on the inside that this might happen.
[2011-05-08 18:20:34] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): do they even listen to us anymore?
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We may need to give him more details, if we can uncover any information about that kind of activity, though.
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Linden on the inside? *Ears and a single eyebrow perk*
[2011-05-08 18:21:01] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I heard some interesting rumors you might want to hear actually
[2011-05-08 18:21:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A friend of mine from a game company I used to work at was married about five years ago, and he became a Linden after that.
[2011-05-08 18:21:36] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Ah.
[2011-05-08 18:21:38] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, I think we'd be interested, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:21:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): What have you got?
[2011-05-08 18:21:53] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Though yearn my curiosity does to know, this Linden's cover, I will not ask you to blw.
[2011-05-08 18:22:14] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Nobody who interacts with the grid in any useful way. But he works in the building.
[2011-05-08 18:22:41] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): Not sure how accurate this is, but Whispers keep floating to whitheeavens Intel department, on a mole in Linden labs, Kinda like a "Griefer linden" , and how linden lab is also trying to shot themselves in the foot to get out of possiable partner ships or contracts
[2011-05-08 18:23:35] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Any substantiating information supporting either of these?
[2011-05-08 18:23:50] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): the second yes
[2011-05-08 18:23:56] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I can go into further detail
[2011-05-08 18:23:58] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Oh well, there was Rodney, I thought he got laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:24:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He did. Go ahead, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:24:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): for the second, allot of recent "Moves" linden lab has made kinda makes sense on shotting themselves in the foot, examples would be, the Shot to the None profit Orgz,, land going up consistently
[2011-05-08 18:24:55] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): land prices*
[2011-05-08 18:25:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing that you couldn't attribute to sheer cluelessness, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:25:20] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): i think they are trying to push business away, to possiable hit a Contract/partner ship termination they may have with someone or something
[2011-05-08 18:25:52] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): but thats all I have for now, I 'm still digging info on it to see if any of it is true or not
[2011-05-08 18:26:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anything substantial, like a person who has access to actual information who said something?
[2011-05-08 18:26:18] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well slightly, a while back I had spoke to Teeple linden
[2011-05-08 18:26:32] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and He did mention a few things about contracts and stuff and the lab trying to get out of the deals/agreements
[2011-05-08 18:27:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): On the other hand, operating with the intent to underperform has legal ramifications, and severe ones.
[2011-05-08 18:27:37] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well frontier is doing it currently too actually
[2011-05-08 18:27:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They may not sell stock, but they do have a board, and shareholders.
[2011-05-08 18:27:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh. Frontier.
[2011-05-08 18:27:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The burnout.
[2011-05-08 18:27:53] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): they raised tv installation prices to 500dollars for installs, they are trying to get out of contract
[2011-05-08 18:28:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing Frontier has to say at this point is of any value, he's liable to say anything - remember that he was fired.
[2011-05-08 18:28:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Well - laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:28:30] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I trust teeple
[2011-05-08 18:28:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and I don't put my trust in people easily
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15-08-2011 Meeting:
GreenLantern Excelsior: I suggest we purge that statement out of our log in anticipation of the next security breach on the wiki
ZenMondo Wormser: anyway I am against tampering with logs just to cover our ass if something gets out. Does not seem the right thing to do
Kalel Venkman: And now for something completely different: September 18 is Kindness Day.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Agreed.
Siobhan McCallen: Better to just keep it from getting the hell broken into.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Well this will look great when it comes out in the Herald some day. Just saying...
Kalel Venkman: We never tamper with our logs for that reason. In fact, over the years I've said a lot of things on the record that I regret saying that were embarrassing to me personally.
Kalel Venkman: But we don't redact that information just because it might be embarrassing.
Siobhan McCallen: WE did nothing wrong here.
Kalel Venkman: And right now, we're in the right, and we know it.
Siobhan McCallen: What are we talking about hiding information for?
Kalel Venkman: Anyway, September 18, Kindness Day.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For next time the Bwiki is stolen
ZenMondo Wormser: Owning what you say is part of personal repsonsibility. Learning from misspeaking and changing your attitude when you are wrong is personal growth.
Siobhan McCallen: So what if it's stolen? WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
GreenLantern Excelsior: You're not seeing the point
Kalel Venkman: Here's what Zaira Gearbox said in her notecard:
Vagabond Carter: why, nothing wrong with that , we arnt quoting him
Kalel Venkman: A final reminder - that graph at http://kryptonradio.com/webalizer doesn't just show how much of a voice and how much reach and influence we currently have - it's an indicator of how much MORE influence we're going to have in the near future.
Siobhan McCallen: Griefer is not a series of acts. It is a state of mind. It is someone who refuses to use logic and evidence, and appeals to mob emotion and wild leaps of imagination.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We finally have a Linden talking to us again. If word gets out that it happened, they will shut up again.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We need to learn our lesson on this
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Hm?
Vagabond Carter: Soft isnt goernance though
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The Lindens that were on speaking terms with us before were all fired.
Kalel Venkman: He's referring to Soft Linden. No, he's not.
Vagabond Carter: all he does id bug work
GreenLantern Excelsior: He's a Linden. That's what counts
Vagabond Carter: is
Kalel Venkman: But he has governance's ear, and he'll act on our behalf on software related exploits.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Ahh, a debugger *nods*
Kalel Venkman: So it's not the same as a general field agent, but we'll take what we can get.
Vagabond Carter: if we can show him what he needs to show them
Heidi Stiglitz: The concern is that it could cause trouble for the Lindens talking to us at that time
Siobhan McCallen: That's THEIR lookout.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Didn't Soft tell us why Tux was banned?
Kalel Venkman: I'm not concerned about another wiki theft. The probability of that happening now is very low now that the Wrong Hands is fully exposed as thieves and griefers, and they have no bully pulpit anymore.
Kalel Venkman: They just have a griefer blog.
Kalel Venkman: So what?
Kalel Venkman: He told us that the people responsible for the spyware system were banned.
[2011-05-08 18:13:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The only thing I can think of is the upcoming SLCC, Second Life what is it, Citizen's Convention?
[2011-05-08 18:13:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Last year they hosted a griefer hospitality suite, because a few of them are alcoholics.
[2011-05-08 18:14:07] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): ommunity convention [2011-05-08 18:14:14] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): *community
[2011-05-08 18:14:17] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And they defaced the Linden Lab building on Battery Street.
[2011-05-08 18:14:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): However, Linden Lab has been alerted that they might do this again this year, thanks to a connection Kara and I have.
[2011-05-08 18:15:18] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): I think they would have thought of it anyway, honestly.
[2011-05-08 18:15:24] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Hm, I wonder. How many of us Leaguers go onto the Beta Grid and patrol?
[2011-05-08 18:15:28] The Dark Knight (maverick.grunfeld): Hopefully this year if they pull the stunt, LL actually calls the cops instead of allowing them to deface private property
[2011-05-08 18:16:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Unfortunately getting information in and out of the Woodbury clan is difficult these days, due to the fact that they do almost everything in Skype now.
[2011-05-08 18:16:56] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Sounds like you need an Outsider. ;)
[2011-05-08 18:17:20] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Maybe so, Kami
[2011-05-08 18:18:14] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I think that's about it, actually.
[2011-05-08 18:18:43] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): But let us stop for a moment and question the legality of this - Hi, Tsu - before we do anything. Would it be legal for someone to go in and expose them, then spread said ifnormation all around Second Life? Even if it is for a good cause?
[2011-05-08 18:18:53] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Brilliant timing, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:19:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): I've been speaking with Atlwolf Blabbermouth about the problem he was having with the Phantom Zone, and it turns out that he couldn't perform a local override of a global ban placed by the League.
[2011-05-08 18:19:10] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): *Ears perk*
[2011-05-08 18:19:16] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Atlwolf,huh? LOL.
[2011-05-08 18:19:28] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh, no, it wouldn't be ToS compliant to distribute that information in-world.
[2011-05-08 18:19:39] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Kami, no. Serious TOS violation, called "disclosure".
[2011-05-08 18:19:47] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): What about warning a Lidnen Lab employee about a potential attack?
[2011-05-08 18:19:57] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Done that, but offine.
[2011-05-08 18:19:59] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): offline
[2011-05-08 18:20:16] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That would be fine, and we've already told our Linden on the inside that this might happen.
[2011-05-08 18:20:34] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): do they even listen to us anymore?
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): We may need to give him more details, if we can uncover any information about that kind of activity, though.
[2011-05-08 18:20:37] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Linden on the inside? *Ears and a single eyebrow perk*
[2011-05-08 18:21:01] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I heard some interesting rumors you might want to hear actually
[2011-05-08 18:21:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): A friend of mine from a game company I used to work at was married about five years ago, and he became a Linden after that.
[2011-05-08 18:21:36] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Ah.
[2011-05-08 18:21:38] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Yes, I think we'd be interested, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:21:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): What have you got?
[2011-05-08 18:21:53] Ookamisuke (ookamisuke.babenco): Though yearn my curiosity does to know, this Linden's cover, I will not ask you to blw.
[2011-05-08 18:22:14] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Nobody who interacts with the grid in any useful way. But he works in the building.
[2011-05-08 18:22:41] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): Not sure how accurate this is, but Whispers keep floating to whitheeavens Intel department, on a mole in Linden labs, Kinda like a "Griefer linden" , and how linden lab is also trying to shot themselves in the foot to get out of possiable partner ships or contracts
[2011-05-08 18:23:35] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Any substantiating information supporting either of these?
[2011-05-08 18:23:50] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): the second yes
[2011-05-08 18:23:56] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I can go into further detail
[2011-05-08 18:23:58] Kara Kent (kara.timtam): Oh well, there was Rodney, I thought he got laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:24:09] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): He did. Go ahead, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:24:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): for the second, allot of recent "Moves" linden lab has made kinda makes sense on shotting themselves in the foot, examples would be, the Shot to the None profit Orgz,, land going up consistently
[2011-05-08 18:24:55] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): land prices*
[2011-05-08 18:25:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing that you couldn't attribute to sheer cluelessness, Tosh.
[2011-05-08 18:25:20] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): i think they are trying to push business away, to possiable hit a Contract/partner ship termination they may have with someone or something
[2011-05-08 18:25:52] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): but thats all I have for now, I 'm still digging info on it to see if any of it is true or not
[2011-05-08 18:26:01] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anything substantial, like a person who has access to actual information who said something?
[2011-05-08 18:26:18] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well slightly, a while back I had spoke to Teeple linden
[2011-05-08 18:26:32] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and He did mention a few things about contracts and stuff and the lab trying to get out of the deals/agreements
[2011-05-08 18:27:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): On the other hand, operating with the intent to underperform has legal ramifications, and severe ones.
[2011-05-08 18:27:37] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): well frontier is doing it currently too actually
[2011-05-08 18:27:40] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They may not sell stock, but they do have a board, and shareholders.
[2011-05-08 18:27:47] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Oh. Frontier.
[2011-05-08 18:27:49] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): The burnout.
[2011-05-08 18:27:53] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): they raised tv installation prices to 500dollars for installs, they are trying to get out of contract
[2011-05-08 18:28:15] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Nothing Frontier has to say at this point is of any value, he's liable to say anything - remember that he was fired.
[2011-05-08 18:28:25] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Well - laid off.
[2011-05-08 18:28:30] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): I trust teeple
[2011-05-08 18:28:39] Tosh Silverwind (tsu.goodliffe): and I don't put my trust in people easily
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15-08-2011 Meeting:
GreenLantern Excelsior: I suggest we purge that statement out of our log in anticipation of the next security breach on the wiki
ZenMondo Wormser: anyway I am against tampering with logs just to cover our ass if something gets out. Does not seem the right thing to do
Kalel Venkman: And now for something completely different: September 18 is Kindness Day.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Agreed.
Siobhan McCallen: Better to just keep it from getting the hell broken into.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Well this will look great when it comes out in the Herald some day. Just saying...
Kalel Venkman: We never tamper with our logs for that reason. In fact, over the years I've said a lot of things on the record that I regret saying that were embarrassing to me personally.
Kalel Venkman: But we don't redact that information just because it might be embarrassing.
Siobhan McCallen: WE did nothing wrong here.
Kalel Venkman: And right now, we're in the right, and we know it.
Siobhan McCallen: What are we talking about hiding information for?
Kalel Venkman: Anyway, September 18, Kindness Day.
GreenLantern Excelsior: For next time the Bwiki is stolen
ZenMondo Wormser: Owning what you say is part of personal repsonsibility. Learning from misspeaking and changing your attitude when you are wrong is personal growth.
Siobhan McCallen: So what if it's stolen? WE'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG.
GreenLantern Excelsior: You're not seeing the point
Kalel Venkman: Here's what Zaira Gearbox said in her notecard:
Vagabond Carter: why, nothing wrong with that , we arnt quoting him
Kalel Venkman: A final reminder - that graph at http://kryptonradio.com/webalizer doesn't just show how much of a voice and how much reach and influence we currently have - it's an indicator of how much MORE influence we're going to have in the near future.
Siobhan McCallen: Griefer is not a series of acts. It is a state of mind. It is someone who refuses to use logic and evidence, and appeals to mob emotion and wild leaps of imagination.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We finally have a Linden talking to us again. If word gets out that it happened, they will shut up again.
GreenLantern Excelsior: We need to learn our lesson on this
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Hm?
Vagabond Carter: Soft isnt goernance though
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The Lindens that were on speaking terms with us before were all fired.
Kalel Venkman: He's referring to Soft Linden. No, he's not.
Vagabond Carter: all he does id bug work
GreenLantern Excelsior: He's a Linden. That's what counts
Vagabond Carter: is
Kalel Venkman: But he has governance's ear, and he'll act on our behalf on software related exploits.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Ahh, a debugger *nods*
Kalel Venkman: So it's not the same as a general field agent, but we'll take what we can get.
Vagabond Carter: if we can show him what he needs to show them
Heidi Stiglitz: The concern is that it could cause trouble for the Lindens talking to us at that time
Siobhan McCallen: That's THEIR lookout.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Didn't Soft tell us why Tux was banned?
Kalel Venkman: I'm not concerned about another wiki theft. The probability of that happening now is very low now that the Wrong Hands is fully exposed as thieves and griefers, and they have no bully pulpit anymore.
Kalel Venkman: They just have a griefer blog.
Kalel Venkman: So what?
Kalel Venkman: He told us that the people responsible for the spyware system were banned.
JLU can override land owners wishes through PhantomZone!
Meeting of July 3, 2011 evening
Tux Winkler engineers a hoax - what appears to be a fully functioning Phantom Zone node at Revolution, but isn't.
Seems the JLU can override a land owners wishes!
[18:08:53] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Look at this, wow. Good job, Hal.
[18:08:59] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Thank you
[18:09:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is fairly recent, actually.
[18:09:50] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): One more coming
[18:09:52] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still faked
[18:09:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): At least within the last two months.
[18:10:20] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But there's no Whitelist notecard in PZ, it
uses a database for that.
[18:10:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): copybotted...
[18:10:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Copybot can't copy scripts.
[18:10:43] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): last owner..
[18:10:49] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): hmm true
-----
[18:13:07] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still useless if hes dumb
enough to turn it on trusting'
[18:13:10] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It happens to be the very latest beta.
[18:13:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That's a real one.
[18:14:01] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Node added to network Kalel
Venkman/League of Heroes. Running.
[18:14:03] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Warning: Node is not owned by land
owner, and cannot enforce bans. Make sure object is deeded to same group as
land, if applicable.
[18:14:05] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the network iasnt though
[18:14:22] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the hovertext is smoke and
mirrors
[18:14:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[18:15:04] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is an obvious forgery, because the 5.14
beta said 5.13 when we released it. It only said 5.14 on the prim, not the
floating text.
-----
[18:16:39] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Looks like they went to some
trouble to put scripts in there with the same name as ours uses. Tux asked me to
come to Revolution to look at something for him, and this was it.
[18:16:41] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): afka while
[18:16:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And again, it would be far easier to just get
a copy from somebody they knew.
[18:17:08] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): You know if it does have the scripts
running in it the real ones couldn;t a leage memeber turn them on and have it
kick everyone?
-----
[18:19:25] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): yeo , fake
[18:19:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They haven't got a network, therefore, their
node is not active.
[18:19:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): 'afk again
[18:19:33] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It's a forgery.
[18:20:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, that's where we're at with this.
[18:20:32] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): well here is the thing. As a League Member
if it is a legitimate copy with additional scripts if they left ours in to seem
legit we CAN set up a network and turn it on with our League override.
[18:21:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Assuming the scripts are active.
[18:21:13] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): I just think it would be funny from a
pratical joke point of view.
[18:21:26] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Turn it on, ban them from their own estate
Tux Winkler engineers a hoax - what appears to be a fully functioning Phantom Zone node at Revolution, but isn't.
Seems the JLU can override a land owners wishes!
[18:08:53] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Look at this, wow. Good job, Hal.
[18:08:59] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Thank you
[18:09:44] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is fairly recent, actually.
[18:09:50] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): One more coming
[18:09:52] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still faked
[18:09:56] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): At least within the last two months.
[18:10:20] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): But there's no Whitelist notecard in PZ, it
uses a database for that.
[18:10:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): copybotted...
[18:10:41] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Copybot can't copy scripts.
[18:10:43] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): last owner..
[18:10:49] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): hmm true
-----
[18:13:07] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): still useless if hes dumb
enough to turn it on trusting'
[18:13:10] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It happens to be the very latest beta.
[18:13:50] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): That's a real one.
[18:14:01] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Node added to network Kalel
Venkman/League of Heroes. Running.
[18:14:03] PhantomZoneNode v0.5.14 BETA: Warning: Node is not owned by land
owner, and cannot enforce bans. Make sure object is deeded to same group as
land, if applicable.
[18:14:05] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the network iasnt though
[18:14:22] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): the hovertext is smoke and
mirrors
[18:14:23] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Interesting.
[18:15:04] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): This is an obvious forgery, because the 5.14
beta said 5.13 when we released it. It only said 5.14 on the prim, not the
floating text.
-----
[18:16:39] Hal Jordan (greenlantern.excelsior): Looks like they went to some
trouble to put scripts in there with the same name as ours uses. Tux asked me to
come to Revolution to look at something for him, and this was it.
[18:16:41] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): afka while
[18:16:58] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): And again, it would be far easier to just get
a copy from somebody they knew.
[18:17:08] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): You know if it does have the scripts
running in it the real ones couldn;t a leage memeber turn them on and have it
kick everyone?
-----
[18:19:25] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): yeo , fake
[18:19:29] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): They haven't got a network, therefore, their
node is not active.
[18:19:30] Vagabond 'Tony' Carter (vagabond.carter): 'afk again
[18:19:33] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): It's a forgery.
[18:20:31] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Anyway, that's where we're at with this.
[18:20:32] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): well here is the thing. As a League Member
if it is a legitimate copy with additional scripts if they left ours in to seem
legit we CAN set up a network and turn it on with our League override.
[18:21:05] Kal-El (kalel.venkman): Assuming the scripts are active.
[18:21:13] Zen-El (zenmondo.wormser): I just think it would be funny from a
pratical joke point of view.
[18:21:26] Kohaku Owatatsumi: Turn it on, ban them from their own estate
Saturday, August 27, 2011
JLU & Pete Linden - Off the record
Another day, another leak.
Today we have parts of the wiki showing JLU speaking "Off the record" with a Linden, who wanted it to remain off the record...only for JLU to put it on their wiki. It is now very much ON the record. It is regarding the Alphaville Herald.
Chat transcript:-
Today we have parts of the wiki showing JLU speaking "Off the record" with a Linden, who wanted it to remain off the record...only for JLU to put it on their wiki. It is now very much ON the record. It is regarding the Alphaville Herald.
Chat transcript:-
Friday, August 26, 2011
5,801 Resident Roles, Leaked from JLU Brainiac
Visit here to see the list:- http://thelistjlu.blogspot.com/p/database-of-roles.html
JLU Database
krypton_jlu abuse_report id
krypton_jlu abuse_report filer
krypton_jlu abuse_report abuser
krypton_jlu abuse_report submit_region
krypton_jlu abuse_report entered_location
krypton_jlu abuse_report category
krypton_jlu abuse_report summary
krypton_jlu abuse_report date_filed
krypton_jlu access_audit owner
krypton_jlu access_audit actor
krypton_jlu access_audit aspect
krypton_jlu access_audit action
krypton_jlu access_audit access_count
krypton_jlu access_audit last_access
krypton_jlu attack_log id
krypton_jlu attack_log owner
krypton_jlu attack_log log_time
krypton_jlu attack_log object_name
krypton_jlu attack_log region
krypton_jlu attack_log local_position
krypton_jlu attack_log attack_time
krypton_jlu audit_report owner
krypton_jlu audit_report owner_roles
krypton_jlu audit_report actor
krypton_jlu audit_report actor_roles
krypton_jlu audit_report aspect
krypton_jlu audit_report action
krypton_jlu audit_report access_count
krypton_jlu audit_report last_access
krypton_jlu ban_admin network_owner
krypton_jlu ban_admin network_name
krypton_jlu ban_admin admin
krypton_jlu ban_installations name
krypton_jlu ban_installations url
krypton_jlu ban_installations region
krypton_jlu ban_installations parcel
krypton_jlu ban_log id
krypton_jlu ban_log when
krypton_jlu ban_log network_owner
krypton_jlu ban_log network_name
krypton_jlu ban_log subject
krypton_jlu ban_log status
krypton_jlu ban_log admin
krypton_jlu ban_log reason
krypton_jlu ban_log expires
krypton_jlu ban_network owner
krypton_jlu ban_network name
krypton_jlu ban_network sharing
krypton_jlu ban_network trusting
krypton_jlu ban_network deleted
krypton_jlu ban_network age_limit_in_days
krypton_jlu ban_status network_owner
krypton_jlu ban_status network_name
krypton_jlu ban_status subject
krypton_jlu ban_status status
krypton_jlu ban_status when
krypton_jlu ban_status expires
krypton_jlu comm_log sender
krypton_jlu comm_log time
krypton_jlu comm_log region
krypton_jlu comm_log position
krypton_jlu comm_message id
krypton_jlu comm_message sender
krypton_jlu comm_message send_date
krypton_jlu comm_message message
krypton_jlu comm_recipient recipient
krypton_jlu equipment_type name
krypton_jlu equipment_type inventory_name
krypton_jlu equipment_type current_version
krypton_jlu equipment_update sequence_number
krypton_jlu equipment_update recipient
krypton_jlu equipment_update equipment_type
krypton_jlu global_pass subject
krypton_jlu global_pass when
krypton_jlu global_pass admin
krypton_jlu global_pass reason
krypton_jlu group id
krypton_jlu group name
krypton_jlu group trusted
krypton_jlu object_server name
krypton_jlu object_server uuid
krypton_jlu object_server registration_date
krypton_jlu public_equipment_type equipment_type
krypton_jlu resident id
krypton_jlu resident first_name
krypton_jlu resident last_name
krypton_jlu resident last_modified
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident primary
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident alt
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident strength
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident last_modified
krypton_jlu resident_article id
krypton_jlu resident_article filer
krypton_jlu resident_article region
krypton_jlu resident_article local_position
krypton_jlu resident_article last_update
krypton_jlu resident_article body
krypton_jlu resident_article_subject resident_article
krypton_jlu resident_article_subject subject
krypton_jlu resident_email resident
krypton_jlu resident_email email_md5
krypton_jlu resident_email confirmed
krypton_jlu resident_online_status resident
krypton_jlu resident_online_status responsiveness
krypton_jlu resident_online_status online
krypton_jlu resident_online_status confirmation_time
krypton_jlu resident_online_status request_time
krypton_jlu resident_role resident
krypton_jlu resident_role role
krypton_jlu resident_role added_time
krypton_jlu role name
krypton_jlu role description
krypton_jlu role precedence
krypton_jlu role access_code
krypton_jlu role_perm_change_role subject
krypton_jlu role_perm_change_role object
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip equipment_type
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip role
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip sense
krypton_jlu user handle
krypton_jlu user resident
krypton_jlu user password_hash
krypton_jlu web_session id
krypton_jlu web_session user
krypton_jlu web_session ip_address
krypton_jlu web_session started
krypton_jlu web_session expires
krypton_jlu abuse_report filer
krypton_jlu abuse_report abuser
krypton_jlu abuse_report submit_region
krypton_jlu abuse_report entered_location
krypton_jlu abuse_report category
krypton_jlu abuse_report summary
krypton_jlu abuse_report date_filed
krypton_jlu access_audit owner
krypton_jlu access_audit actor
krypton_jlu access_audit aspect
krypton_jlu access_audit action
krypton_jlu access_audit access_count
krypton_jlu access_audit last_access
krypton_jlu attack_log id
krypton_jlu attack_log owner
krypton_jlu attack_log log_time
krypton_jlu attack_log object_name
krypton_jlu attack_log region
krypton_jlu attack_log local_position
krypton_jlu attack_log attack_time
krypton_jlu audit_report owner
krypton_jlu audit_report owner_roles
krypton_jlu audit_report actor
krypton_jlu audit_report actor_roles
krypton_jlu audit_report aspect
krypton_jlu audit_report action
krypton_jlu audit_report access_count
krypton_jlu audit_report last_access
krypton_jlu ban_admin network_owner
krypton_jlu ban_admin network_name
krypton_jlu ban_admin admin
krypton_jlu ban_installations name
krypton_jlu ban_installations url
krypton_jlu ban_installations region
krypton_jlu ban_installations parcel
krypton_jlu ban_log id
krypton_jlu ban_log when
krypton_jlu ban_log network_owner
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krypton_jlu ban_log admin
krypton_jlu ban_log reason
krypton_jlu ban_log expires
krypton_jlu ban_network owner
krypton_jlu ban_network name
krypton_jlu ban_network sharing
krypton_jlu ban_network trusting
krypton_jlu ban_network deleted
krypton_jlu ban_network age_limit_in_days
krypton_jlu ban_status network_owner
krypton_jlu ban_status network_name
krypton_jlu ban_status subject
krypton_jlu ban_status status
krypton_jlu ban_status when
krypton_jlu ban_status expires
krypton_jlu comm_log sender
krypton_jlu comm_log time
krypton_jlu comm_log region
krypton_jlu comm_log position
krypton_jlu comm_message id
krypton_jlu comm_message sender
krypton_jlu comm_message send_date
krypton_jlu comm_message message
krypton_jlu comm_recipient recipient
krypton_jlu equipment_type name
krypton_jlu equipment_type inventory_name
krypton_jlu equipment_type current_version
krypton_jlu equipment_update sequence_number
krypton_jlu equipment_update recipient
krypton_jlu equipment_update equipment_type
krypton_jlu global_pass subject
krypton_jlu global_pass when
krypton_jlu global_pass admin
krypton_jlu global_pass reason
krypton_jlu group id
krypton_jlu group name
krypton_jlu group trusted
krypton_jlu object_server name
krypton_jlu object_server uuid
krypton_jlu object_server registration_date
krypton_jlu public_equipment_type equipment_type
krypton_jlu resident id
krypton_jlu resident first_name
krypton_jlu resident last_name
krypton_jlu resident last_modified
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident primary
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident alt
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident strength
krypton_jlu resident_alt_resident last_modified
krypton_jlu resident_article id
krypton_jlu resident_article filer
krypton_jlu resident_article region
krypton_jlu resident_article local_position
krypton_jlu resident_article last_update
krypton_jlu resident_article body
krypton_jlu resident_article_subject resident_article
krypton_jlu resident_article_subject subject
krypton_jlu resident_email resident
krypton_jlu resident_email email_md5
krypton_jlu resident_email confirmed
krypton_jlu resident_online_status resident
krypton_jlu resident_online_status responsiveness
krypton_jlu resident_online_status online
krypton_jlu resident_online_status confirmation_time
krypton_jlu resident_online_status request_time
krypton_jlu resident_role resident
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krypton_jlu resident_role added_time
krypton_jlu role name
krypton_jlu role description
krypton_jlu role precedence
krypton_jlu role access_code
krypton_jlu role_perm_change_role subject
krypton_jlu role_perm_change_role object
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip equipment_type
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip role
krypton_jlu role_permission_equip sense
krypton_jlu user handle
krypton_jlu user resident
krypton_jlu user password_hash
krypton_jlu web_session id
krypton_jlu web_session user
krypton_jlu web_session ip_address
krypton_jlu web_session started
krypton_jlu web_session expires
Thursday, August 25, 2011
JLU Patrol Routes
The Justice League Unlimited (JLU)
Official Patrol Routes
=====================
This is a list of sims for regular JLU patrols. This list is in three sections - Linden Land, Private Land, and JLU Office. For a listing of "Off Limit" regions, refer to the BWiki.
=====================
Linden Lands
=====================
=====================
Help Areas
=====================
*Help Island Public
*Help Island Public 2
*Frisch
*Orientation Island Public
=====================
Sandboxes
=====================
*Sandbox Island
*Sandbox Island Extension
*Sandbox Cordova
*Sandbox Goguen
*Sandbox Newcomb
*Sandbox Wanderton
*Plum
*Mann
*Sandbox - Weapons Testing
Vehicle Sandboxes:
*Fame
*Georgean
*Fortuna
*Balance
*Bethel
*Brilliant
=====================
Welcome Areas
=====================
*Ahern
*Bonifacio
*Dore
*Morris
*Violet
*Waterhead
*Gukyeol
*Hangeul
*Hanja
*Idu
=====================
InfoHubs
=====================
*Ambat
*Anzere
*Bear
*Braunworth
*Calleta
*Clementina
*Hyles
*Iris
*Isabel
*Mahulu (Note: ran by NCI)
*Mauve
*Periwinkle
*Ross (Note: ran by Prokofy Neva)
*Warmouth
*Wengen
*Degrand
*Boardroom
*Hyannisport
*Helfell
*Zebrasil
=====================
International Areas
=====================
*Korea1
*Korea2
*Korea3
*Korea4
=====================
Private Lands
=====================
=====================
Private Sandboxes/Business/Community Estates
=====================
*Dublin
*Dublin 2
*Dublin 3
*Dreamland - (Mature Sandbox)
*Center of Gravity (A'den Station)
=====================
Special Interest Regions
=====================
*Rinji
*Karuna
*ROF Coalition Island
*ROF Coalition 2
*Four Bridges Project
*Four Bridges North
=====================
Roleplay Regions
=====================
*Fluger (Bespin Spaceport, wear OOC tag)
*Bespin (Bespin Spaceport, wear OOC tag)
=====================
Steeltopia Empire
=====================
*Steeltopia
*Obsidian Sea
*Obsidian Bay
*Steeltopia Anchorage
*Steeltopia Seacliff
=====================
Antiquity
=====================
*Antiquity Port Salute
*Antiquity Malta
*Antiquity San Andres
*Antiquity Port Safi
*Antiquity MarieGalante
*Antiquity Oceania
*Antiquity Eden
*Antiquity Meadows
*Antiquity Dominica
*Antiquity Laconia
*Antiquity Keys
*Antiquity Texas
*Antiquity Township
*Antiquity Westminster
*Antiquity HalfMoon Bay
*Antiquity Charon Abyss
*Antiquity Lagoon
*Antiquity Shores
*Antiquity MontegoBay
*Antiquity Britannica
*Antiquity Finlanda
*Antiquity Oasis
*Antiquity Tejas
*Antiquity Sea of Cortez
*Antiquity Dunkerque
*Antiquity Tortuga
*Antiquity Harbor
*Antiquity Cove
*Antiquity jamaica
*Antiquity Port Royal
*Antiquity Gardens
*Antiquity Arboretum
*Antiquity Aruba
=====================
JLU Offices
=====================
Steelhead
Antiquity Texas
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About the Justice League Unlimited:
============
The Justice League Unlimited (JLU) in Second Life (SL) is a public service organization who pattern their avatars after classic comic book heroes. While JLU members may model their avatars after these fictional personas, the JLU is not a super-hero role-playing group. The mission of the JLU is to provide mentoring and render aid to SL residents in need, primarily new residents, in such areas as building, scripting and security. The JLU often acts as a neighborhood watch organization. We also hold seminars and conventions on public safety, and help estate managers learn effective techniques for keeping their own lands safe.
Official Patrol Routes
=====================
This is a list of sims for regular JLU patrols. This list is in three sections - Linden Land, Private Land, and JLU Office. For a listing of "Off Limit" regions, refer to the BWiki.
=====================
Linden Lands
=====================
=====================
Help Areas
=====================
*Help Island Public
*Help Island Public 2
*Frisch
*Orientation Island Public
=====================
Sandboxes
=====================
*Sandbox Island
*Sandbox Island Extension
*Sandbox Cordova
*Sandbox Goguen
*Sandbox Newcomb
*Sandbox Wanderton
*Plum
*Mann
*Sandbox - Weapons Testing
Vehicle Sandboxes:
*Fame
*Georgean
*Fortuna
*Balance
*Bethel
*Brilliant
=====================
Welcome Areas
=====================
*Ahern
*Bonifacio
*Dore
*Morris
*Violet
*Waterhead
*Gukyeol
*Hangeul
*Hanja
*Idu
=====================
InfoHubs
=====================
*Ambat
*Anzere
*Bear
*Braunworth
*Calleta
*Clementina
*Hyles
*Iris
*Isabel
*Mahulu (Note: ran by NCI)
*Mauve
*Periwinkle
*Ross (Note: ran by Prokofy Neva)
*Warmouth
*Wengen
*Degrand
*Boardroom
*Hyannisport
*Helfell
*Zebrasil
=====================
International Areas
=====================
*Korea1
*Korea2
*Korea3
*Korea4
=====================
Private Lands
=====================
=====================
Private Sandboxes/Business/Community Estates
=====================
*Dublin
*Dublin 2
*Dublin 3
*Dreamland - (Mature Sandbox)
*Center of Gravity (A'den Station)
=====================
Special Interest Regions
=====================
*Rinji
*Karuna
*ROF Coalition Island
*ROF Coalition 2
*Four Bridges Project
*Four Bridges North
=====================
Roleplay Regions
=====================
*Fluger (Bespin Spaceport, wear OOC tag)
*Bespin (Bespin Spaceport, wear OOC tag)
=====================
Steeltopia Empire
=====================
*Steeltopia
*Obsidian Sea
*Obsidian Bay
*Steeltopia Anchorage
*Steeltopia Seacliff
=====================
Antiquity
=====================
*Antiquity Port Salute
*Antiquity Malta
*Antiquity San Andres
*Antiquity Port Safi
*Antiquity MarieGalante
*Antiquity Oceania
*Antiquity Eden
*Antiquity Meadows
*Antiquity Dominica
*Antiquity Laconia
*Antiquity Keys
*Antiquity Texas
*Antiquity Township
*Antiquity Westminster
*Antiquity HalfMoon Bay
*Antiquity Charon Abyss
*Antiquity Lagoon
*Antiquity Shores
*Antiquity MontegoBay
*Antiquity Britannica
*Antiquity Finlanda
*Antiquity Oasis
*Antiquity Tejas
*Antiquity Sea of Cortez
*Antiquity Dunkerque
*Antiquity Tortuga
*Antiquity Harbor
*Antiquity Cove
*Antiquity jamaica
*Antiquity Port Royal
*Antiquity Gardens
*Antiquity Arboretum
*Antiquity Aruba
=====================
JLU Offices
=====================
Steelhead
Antiquity Texas
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About the Justice League Unlimited:
============
The Justice League Unlimited (JLU) in Second Life (SL) is a public service organization who pattern their avatars after classic comic book heroes. While JLU members may model their avatars after these fictional personas, the JLU is not a super-hero role-playing group. The mission of the JLU is to provide mentoring and render aid to SL residents in need, primarily new residents, in such areas as building, scripting and security. The JLU often acts as a neighborhood watch organization. We also hold seminars and conventions on public safety, and help estate managers learn effective techniques for keeping their own lands safe.
You can't stop this train
Not even BP could stop this leak, surrender yourselves, you can't stop us.
Enjoy the link to the wiki.
Enjoy the link to the wiki.
JLU Meeting 14th August
Pre meeting chat shows that the JLU has in fact called them and has basically told them it's not their thing, as have the FBI.
Emiley Tomsen: Meeting starts at 830, going to stick around for it?
Ginrai Yamabushi: What's new otherwise?
Emiley Tomsen: Not a whole lot, still watiting on word from RL authorities if anyone will take our case.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Like FBI right?
Emiley Tomsen: FBI, Scotland Yard, anyone that might listen.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Good
Emiley Tomsen: Scotland Yard responded once, but hasn't called back after saying they didn't think they had jurisdiction.
Ginrai Yamabushi: what about Interpol?
Emiley Tomsen: This is too small scale for them to handle really, Scotland Yard has their own cyber-crimes division.
Emiley Tomsen: Of course, getting them to see that they do have jurisdiction is one thing, trying to get the feds here to respond would help greatly. Since the DDoS attacks did happen from American servers.
Ginrai Yamabushi: I was going to get the Feds involved when I saw my info posted online
Emiley Tomsen: Have you had any luck?
Ginrai Yamabushi: I didn't call after I talked to Kal-El
Emiley Tomsen: Uh, why, what did he say?
Ginrai Yamabushi: talk to Linden Lab, and also send a message to Google
Emiley Tomsen: That, really doesn't help. Linden Lab will only say they don't deal with third-party sites, and Google will ignore it. You really need to call the FBI, and ask them to look into it, as it relates to attacks on websites.
Ginrai Yamabushi: I was on the website when I saw that
Ginrai Yamabushi: from Kal
Emiley Tomsen: We need big league help, and right now, the Feds are the only ones, aside from getting a lawyer who can help us.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Yeah definately
Ginrai Yamabushi: I have to run, but I will be back
And then in the meeting, Kalel bullshits the whole group into his fantasy of working with Scotland Yard:
Kalel Venkman: She also puzzled out who Tux's probable employer is, and the name of his boss.
Samantha Lowell: WE choose to be the best of ourselves online, or the worst of ourselves online. Which path we choose speaks volumes about the sotrs of people who sit behind the avatars,
Melanippe Karas laughs a dark and anticipatory laugh.
Kalel Venkman: That's right, [-- REMOVED RL NAME --], that's what separates us. With our anonymity (or what's left of it these days. :/ ) we choose to do good.
Kara Timtam: I feel I must point out that looking for Tux's RL information gives some verity to his claims that we stalk.
Kalel Venkman: If we chose to use that ourselves, it would.
Kalel Venkman: But the plan is to give this information to Scotland Yard, which we are doing.
Kalel Venkman: We are currently in contact with Scotland Yard - and yes, they actually called us back.
Kalel Venkman: Unlike our own FBI.
Siobhan McCallen: Stalking: A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
Kalel Venkman: So we are carefully preparing as much information as we have, as they have specifically instructed us. So we are currently operating under instructions from Scotland Yard.
Kalel Venkman: So the casual "drive-by" griefers don't have a place to copy and paste from.
Kalel Venkman: Emiley did some digging, by the way.
Kalel Venkman: Tux has the domain name 'reallifesupervillians.org'.
Melanippe Karas: As if.
Kalel Venkman: Probably a knee-jerk reaction to reallifesuperheroes.org.
Kalel Venkman: After we plugged them on the Krypton Radio site.
Kara Timtam: UK police are going armed these days.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Aye, I noticed o.o
Samantha Lowell: I remember there was a big stink about how Lulzsec could hack Verizon. It turns out it was just as simple as having a lulzsec member who worked some menial job at Verzon and he had a password. These people are nowhere near as clever as they want us to believe.
Siobhan McCallen: Primarily because Google is well aware of the Greater Internet F**kwad Theory, and won't let them be anonymous on their system.
Samantha Lowell: In addition, it seems to be open season no Anonymous these days, so I'm surprised they'd be interested in anything but covering their asses (pardon my French)
Kalel Venkman: There are actually laws on the books that directly forbid the creation of a communication system that has no capacity for monitoring by law enforcement.
Kalel Venkman: So they'd be very interested.
Kalel Venkman: Whoever reserved the domain name would be first on the list to talk to.
Kalel Venkman: If you're going to run an Anonymous service, the first thing you have to be is anonymous.
Kalel Venkman: Apparently they're not.
And them some ego stroking by way of more fantasy:
Kalel Venkman: Oh, one other small note, by the way, Krypton Radio last week was in the top 9% of all sites on the internet.
Kalel Venkman: As of last night, we moved up 1%.
Kalel Venkman: We are now in the top 8%.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Yikes.
Siobhan McCallen: woot!
Ginrai Yamabushi: sweet
Kalel Venkman: I'm pretty pleased too.
Samantha Lowell: Wow
Kalel Venkman: So because we're now running at about half a million hits a month (that translates to a rough average of a thousand unique visitors per day), we're starting to work on how to get this thing to actually start bringing in some money to help us finance not only the station but our operations in-world, and even start paying people.
Wasn't they saying they had been subjected to a DDOS attack? Hits up at the time the site was down? See no link?
Kohaku Owatatsumi: There are a couple of adserver thingamies out there
Kalel Venkman: Yeah, there are, and we're using one of the better ones.
Kalel Venkman: But they're only good for about $5 a month on average.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Which better one are wqe using?
Kalel Venkman: We're looking into paid sponsorships as being primary movers for our needs.
Kalel Venkman: Oh, yes, that reminds me of a couple of things.
Kalel Venkman: First, the Star Wars RP community has gotten rather excited about the idea of doing their own weekly podcast about the Star Wars RP scene here in Second Life.
Kalel Venkman: And this sharpened when I told them Krypton Radio might be interested in putting it on the air if they did it.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Wow...!!!!
Kalel Venkman: Now here's the interesting thing: this Star Wars RP group is headed up by none other than Cayce Urriah, aka [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --].
Kalel Venkman: Formerly of the JLU.
Melanippe Karas: Hah.
Kalel Venkman: Cayce left on ethical grounds. He had a lot of friends in Woodbury at the time and felt that membership in the League represented a strong conflict of interest.
Samantha Lowell: Hmmmmm
Melanippe Karas: That sounds ethical in itself.
Kalel Venkman: After he left the League, Cayce fed us a near continuous stream of detailed information about Woodbury and Tizzers and their operations.
Kara Timtam: [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --] IM'ed me the other evening actually, just saying hi.
Kalel Venkman: This information may have contributed to the eventual destruction of Woodbury.
Samantha Lowell: So *that's* where all that was coming from.
Kalel Venkman: Cayce is now inquiring as to whether he might rejoin the League.
Kalel Venkman: And I promised him I'd bring up the question in open discussion.
Kalel Venkman: Now my reservations include the fact that he was very close to the Woodbury for a long time, and that when it came time to make his decision, he chose his friendships with them over his service to the League.
Kara Timtam: Ah. Now I know shy he was trying to talk to me.
Siobhan McCallen: I don't know Cayce well enough to have an opinion
Sumalee Capelo: What is his relationship now with those people?
Kara Timtam: *why
Sumalee Capelo: If they come back, will he again leave JLU?
Kalel Venkman: As far as I can tell, nearly none. After a while I think they figured out that anything he was exposed to ended up in our sphere of knowledge about them.
Kalel Venkman: And they just stopped talking to him and started excluding him from everything.
Sumalee Capelo: Ah, then all is well.
Samantha Lowell: I like Cayce, and he's honest, but I want to know where his loyalties lie: Us or them?
Kalel Venkman: That's when he got busy with the Mandalorean faction in the Star Wars RP scene and immersed himself in it.
Melanippe Karas: He quit then helped anyway. That sounds pretty obvious.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: *nods*
Melanippe Karas: If he hadn't quit, where would we be in terms of intelligence?
Siobhan McCallen: Did the information only flow one way?
Samantha Lowell: True. Just playing Quesada's Advocate.
Kalel Venkman: The information only flowed one way.
Siobhan McCallen: okay.
Kalel Venkman: He never asked any questions about the League or its activities, ever.
Sumalee Capelo: I would say wait a month or two to let him join so because right now we are fragile.
Siobhan McCallen: so he never had anything to pass back to them. ok, makes sense.
Kalel Venkman: If he hadn't quit - hmm.
Sumalee Capelo: and cannot take risk
Kalel Venkman: I have similar concerns, Sumalee.
Sumalee Capelo: let the Pixeleen thing blow over
Kalel Venkman: But I also want to point out that we have been working on a state of constant lockdown for three years.
Siobhan McCallen: I had one interaction with Cayce, long ago. He was using superhearing in a sandbox. I questioned its ToS legality, and he stopped using it immediately. I liked that.
Samantha Lowell: Not fragile, maybe, but I agree: Rather than concretely choose one side over another, he quit. Too many questions just yet to reach any decision.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Was it that long ago?
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The breakin and the compromise of B?
Kalel Venkman: The breaking and compromising of the BrainiacWiki took place in January of 2010.
Kara Timtam: seems like only yesterday!
Melanippe Karas: Close enough.
Kalel Venkman: I see that the same concerns about Cayce rejoining when we talked about this about a year ago are still very much on our minds today.
Samantha Lowell: And in the end, he choose friendship with people he knew to be bad eggs over his oath. friendship shopping or not.....let's say we'll need proof that he's changed his compass.
Siobhan McCallen: I don't think Cayce is bad. To the contrary, he picks his moral ground and stands on it. That's commendable and honorable. But I still get a choice on whether I like the outcome of his decisions, and my subsequent choices.
Kalel Venkman: So that's sort of a heart thing as contrasted to a head thing.
Samantha Lowell: Possble, but like Kara said: Only a double agent knows for sure what side he's on.
Kara Timtam: I feel we can not afford the vulnerability.
Siobhan McCallen: Undercover agents don't leave the original organization. They stay a part of it, just secretly.
Kalel Venkman: It feels to me as though he's friendship shopping.
Samantha Lowell: Probably yes.
Samantha Lowell: But until he fdinds his compass, he could prove a weakness that Tux and others like him could exploit
Kalel Venkman: That's an excellent point.
Kalel Venkman: And Tux's great strength is to make people doubt their own convictions.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: I will say this.
Samantha Lowell: Agreed. Look what he did to poor [-- VAGABOND's RL NAME REMOVED --], for example. Bad guys can be charming and persuasive, too
Siobhan McCallen: at the time, he had to choose being a part of our group and service to the JLU, or his friendships with them. He chose them. Clearly, he felt those friendships were more important to him at the time, since that's what side his ethics fell on. They could have fallen on rejecting friendship with griefers instead.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: They made me question my presence here, once.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Witness with your own eyes the result.
Samantha Lowell: Cayce isn't bad. I think hges susceptible, that's all, and that's concern enough.
Kara Timtam: This is sounding a lot like "Not Now" to me, probably "not ever" but only probably
Melanippe Karas: So let's talk with him over in Steelhead.
Samantha Lowell: Agreed. Cayyce helped us, and I'm grateful, but he has, honestly, some 'splaining to do.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Are our websites and equipment still broken?
Kalel Venkman: No, we're in pretty solid shape right now, Hal.
GreenLantern Excelsior: b id [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --]
GreenLantern Excelsior: Oh, okay, wasn't working the other way
Kalel Venkman: Our hosting service could not fix the problem with the server box our virtual server was on - so they simply powered it down, grabbed the handle on the insert card and physically pulled it out.
Kalel Venkman: They put our module into a new physical box.
Samantha Lowell: good
Kalel's summary:
Kalel Venkman: In a nutshell, the morning meeting covered the fact that we may have figured out who Tux's employer is, the fact that we're in active dialog with Scotland Yard about it, observations about griefing activity post-Red Square, and concerns about Cayce Urriah rejoining the League.
Kalel Venkman: In essence, nothing you didn't already know. No new revelations.
RL Stalking? A member of the JLU tailed Tizzers during the SLCC event.
Maverick Grunfeld: Yesterday, Tizzers hosted a RL party at SLCC
Kalel Venkman: That's what I hear.
Kalel Venkman: Smitty Boyau is there.
Kalel Venkman: Said Tizzers has calmed down a lot since last year, nowhere near the festering boil of rage he was.
Kalel Venkman: But says he's still got some in him.
The rest of this conversation is for another time as we have to contact the subject of the following conversation.
Emiley Tomsen: Meeting starts at 830, going to stick around for it?
Ginrai Yamabushi: What's new otherwise?
Emiley Tomsen: Not a whole lot, still watiting on word from RL authorities if anyone will take our case.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Like FBI right?
Emiley Tomsen: FBI, Scotland Yard, anyone that might listen.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Good
Emiley Tomsen: Scotland Yard responded once, but hasn't called back after saying they didn't think they had jurisdiction.
Ginrai Yamabushi: what about Interpol?
Emiley Tomsen: This is too small scale for them to handle really, Scotland Yard has their own cyber-crimes division.
Emiley Tomsen: Of course, getting them to see that they do have jurisdiction is one thing, trying to get the feds here to respond would help greatly. Since the DDoS attacks did happen from American servers.
Ginrai Yamabushi: I was going to get the Feds involved when I saw my info posted online
Emiley Tomsen: Have you had any luck?
Ginrai Yamabushi: I didn't call after I talked to Kal-El
Emiley Tomsen: Uh, why, what did he say?
Ginrai Yamabushi: talk to Linden Lab, and also send a message to Google
Emiley Tomsen: That, really doesn't help. Linden Lab will only say they don't deal with third-party sites, and Google will ignore it. You really need to call the FBI, and ask them to look into it, as it relates to attacks on websites.
Ginrai Yamabushi: I was on the website when I saw that
Ginrai Yamabushi: from Kal
Emiley Tomsen: We need big league help, and right now, the Feds are the only ones, aside from getting a lawyer who can help us.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Yeah definately
Ginrai Yamabushi: I have to run, but I will be back
And then in the meeting, Kalel bullshits the whole group into his fantasy of working with Scotland Yard:
Kalel Venkman: She also puzzled out who Tux's probable employer is, and the name of his boss.
Samantha Lowell: WE choose to be the best of ourselves online, or the worst of ourselves online. Which path we choose speaks volumes about the sotrs of people who sit behind the avatars,
Melanippe Karas laughs a dark and anticipatory laugh.
Kalel Venkman: That's right, [-- REMOVED RL NAME --], that's what separates us. With our anonymity (or what's left of it these days. :/ ) we choose to do good.
Kara Timtam: I feel I must point out that looking for Tux's RL information gives some verity to his claims that we stalk.
Kalel Venkman: If we chose to use that ourselves, it would.
Kalel Venkman: But the plan is to give this information to Scotland Yard, which we are doing.
Kalel Venkman: We are currently in contact with Scotland Yard - and yes, they actually called us back.
Kalel Venkman: Unlike our own FBI.
Siobhan McCallen: Stalking: A person who intentionally and repeatedly follows or harasses another person and who makes a credible threat, either expressed or implied, with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm is guilty of the crime of stalking. A person may be charged with aggravated stalking if they commit the crime of stalking while subject to a temporary restraining order, injunction against trespass, or similar order.
Kalel Venkman: So we are carefully preparing as much information as we have, as they have specifically instructed us. So we are currently operating under instructions from Scotland Yard.
Kalel Venkman: So the casual "drive-by" griefers don't have a place to copy and paste from.
Kalel Venkman: Emiley did some digging, by the way.
Kalel Venkman: Tux has the domain name 'reallifesupervillians.org'.
Melanippe Karas: As if.
Kalel Venkman: Probably a knee-jerk reaction to reallifesuperheroes.org.
Kalel Venkman: After we plugged them on the Krypton Radio site.
Kara Timtam: UK police are going armed these days.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Aye, I noticed o.o
Samantha Lowell: I remember there was a big stink about how Lulzsec could hack Verizon. It turns out it was just as simple as having a lulzsec member who worked some menial job at Verzon and he had a password. These people are nowhere near as clever as they want us to believe.
Siobhan McCallen: Primarily because Google is well aware of the Greater Internet F**kwad Theory, and won't let them be anonymous on their system.
Samantha Lowell: In addition, it seems to be open season no Anonymous these days, so I'm surprised they'd be interested in anything but covering their asses (pardon my French)
Kalel Venkman: There are actually laws on the books that directly forbid the creation of a communication system that has no capacity for monitoring by law enforcement.
Kalel Venkman: So they'd be very interested.
Kalel Venkman: Whoever reserved the domain name would be first on the list to talk to.
Kalel Venkman: If you're going to run an Anonymous service, the first thing you have to be is anonymous.
Kalel Venkman: Apparently they're not.
And them some ego stroking by way of more fantasy:
Kalel Venkman: Oh, one other small note, by the way, Krypton Radio last week was in the top 9% of all sites on the internet.
Kalel Venkman: As of last night, we moved up 1%.
Kalel Venkman: We are now in the top 8%.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Yikes.
Siobhan McCallen: woot!
Ginrai Yamabushi: sweet
Kalel Venkman: I'm pretty pleased too.
Samantha Lowell: Wow
Kalel Venkman: So because we're now running at about half a million hits a month (that translates to a rough average of a thousand unique visitors per day), we're starting to work on how to get this thing to actually start bringing in some money to help us finance not only the station but our operations in-world, and even start paying people.
Wasn't they saying they had been subjected to a DDOS attack? Hits up at the time the site was down? See no link?
Kohaku Owatatsumi: There are a couple of adserver thingamies out there
Kalel Venkman: Yeah, there are, and we're using one of the better ones.
Kalel Venkman: But they're only good for about $5 a month on average.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Which better one are wqe using?
Kalel Venkman: We're looking into paid sponsorships as being primary movers for our needs.
Kalel Venkman: Oh, yes, that reminds me of a couple of things.
Kalel Venkman: First, the Star Wars RP community has gotten rather excited about the idea of doing their own weekly podcast about the Star Wars RP scene here in Second Life.
Kalel Venkman: And this sharpened when I told them Krypton Radio might be interested in putting it on the air if they did it.
Ginrai Yamabushi: Wow...!!!!
Kalel Venkman: Now here's the interesting thing: this Star Wars RP group is headed up by none other than Cayce Urriah, aka [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --].
Kalel Venkman: Formerly of the JLU.
Melanippe Karas: Hah.
Kalel Venkman: Cayce left on ethical grounds. He had a lot of friends in Woodbury at the time and felt that membership in the League represented a strong conflict of interest.
Samantha Lowell: Hmmmmm
Melanippe Karas: That sounds ethical in itself.
Kalel Venkman: After he left the League, Cayce fed us a near continuous stream of detailed information about Woodbury and Tizzers and their operations.
Kara Timtam: [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --] IM'ed me the other evening actually, just saying hi.
Kalel Venkman: This information may have contributed to the eventual destruction of Woodbury.
Samantha Lowell: So *that's* where all that was coming from.
Kalel Venkman: Cayce is now inquiring as to whether he might rejoin the League.
Kalel Venkman: And I promised him I'd bring up the question in open discussion.
Kalel Venkman: Now my reservations include the fact that he was very close to the Woodbury for a long time, and that when it came time to make his decision, he chose his friendships with them over his service to the League.
Kara Timtam: Ah. Now I know shy he was trying to talk to me.
Siobhan McCallen: I don't know Cayce well enough to have an opinion
Sumalee Capelo: What is his relationship now with those people?
Kara Timtam: *why
Sumalee Capelo: If they come back, will he again leave JLU?
Kalel Venkman: As far as I can tell, nearly none. After a while I think they figured out that anything he was exposed to ended up in our sphere of knowledge about them.
Kalel Venkman: And they just stopped talking to him and started excluding him from everything.
Sumalee Capelo: Ah, then all is well.
Samantha Lowell: I like Cayce, and he's honest, but I want to know where his loyalties lie: Us or them?
Kalel Venkman: That's when he got busy with the Mandalorean faction in the Star Wars RP scene and immersed himself in it.
Melanippe Karas: He quit then helped anyway. That sounds pretty obvious.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: *nods*
Melanippe Karas: If he hadn't quit, where would we be in terms of intelligence?
Siobhan McCallen: Did the information only flow one way?
Samantha Lowell: True. Just playing Quesada's Advocate.
Kalel Venkman: The information only flowed one way.
Siobhan McCallen: okay.
Kalel Venkman: He never asked any questions about the League or its activities, ever.
Sumalee Capelo: I would say wait a month or two to let him join so because right now we are fragile.
Siobhan McCallen: so he never had anything to pass back to them. ok, makes sense.
Kalel Venkman: If he hadn't quit - hmm.
Sumalee Capelo: and cannot take risk
Kalel Venkman: I have similar concerns, Sumalee.
Sumalee Capelo: let the Pixeleen thing blow over
Kalel Venkman: But I also want to point out that we have been working on a state of constant lockdown for three years.
Siobhan McCallen: I had one interaction with Cayce, long ago. He was using superhearing in a sandbox. I questioned its ToS legality, and he stopped using it immediately. I liked that.
Samantha Lowell: Not fragile, maybe, but I agree: Rather than concretely choose one side over another, he quit. Too many questions just yet to reach any decision.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Was it that long ago?
Kohaku Owatatsumi: The breakin and the compromise of B?
Kalel Venkman: The breaking and compromising of the BrainiacWiki took place in January of 2010.
Kara Timtam: seems like only yesterday!
Melanippe Karas: Close enough.
Kalel Venkman: I see that the same concerns about Cayce rejoining when we talked about this about a year ago are still very much on our minds today.
Samantha Lowell: And in the end, he choose friendship with people he knew to be bad eggs over his oath. friendship shopping or not.....let's say we'll need proof that he's changed his compass.
Siobhan McCallen: I don't think Cayce is bad. To the contrary, he picks his moral ground and stands on it. That's commendable and honorable. But I still get a choice on whether I like the outcome of his decisions, and my subsequent choices.
Kalel Venkman: So that's sort of a heart thing as contrasted to a head thing.
Samantha Lowell: Possble, but like Kara said: Only a double agent knows for sure what side he's on.
Kara Timtam: I feel we can not afford the vulnerability.
Siobhan McCallen: Undercover agents don't leave the original organization. They stay a part of it, just secretly.
Kalel Venkman: It feels to me as though he's friendship shopping.
Samantha Lowell: Probably yes.
Samantha Lowell: But until he fdinds his compass, he could prove a weakness that Tux and others like him could exploit
Kalel Venkman: That's an excellent point.
Kalel Venkman: And Tux's great strength is to make people doubt their own convictions.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: I will say this.
Samantha Lowell: Agreed. Look what he did to poor [-- VAGABOND's RL NAME REMOVED --], for example. Bad guys can be charming and persuasive, too
Siobhan McCallen: at the time, he had to choose being a part of our group and service to the JLU, or his friendships with them. He chose them. Clearly, he felt those friendships were more important to him at the time, since that's what side his ethics fell on. They could have fallen on rejecting friendship with griefers instead.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: They made me question my presence here, once.
Kohaku Owatatsumi: Witness with your own eyes the result.
Samantha Lowell: Cayce isn't bad. I think hges susceptible, that's all, and that's concern enough.
Kara Timtam: This is sounding a lot like "Not Now" to me, probably "not ever" but only probably
Melanippe Karas: So let's talk with him over in Steelhead.
Samantha Lowell: Agreed. Cayyce helped us, and I'm grateful, but he has, honestly, some 'splaining to do.
GreenLantern Excelsior: Are our websites and equipment still broken?
Kalel Venkman: No, we're in pretty solid shape right now, Hal.
GreenLantern Excelsior: b id [-- CAYCE'S ALT NAME REMOVED --]
GreenLantern Excelsior: Oh, okay, wasn't working the other way
Kalel Venkman: Our hosting service could not fix the problem with the server box our virtual server was on - so they simply powered it down, grabbed the handle on the insert card and physically pulled it out.
Kalel Venkman: They put our module into a new physical box.
Samantha Lowell: good
Kalel's summary:
Kalel Venkman: In a nutshell, the morning meeting covered the fact that we may have figured out who Tux's employer is, the fact that we're in active dialog with Scotland Yard about it, observations about griefing activity post-Red Square, and concerns about Cayce Urriah rejoining the League.
Kalel Venkman: In essence, nothing you didn't already know. No new revelations.
RL Stalking? A member of the JLU tailed Tizzers during the SLCC event.
Maverick Grunfeld: Yesterday, Tizzers hosted a RL party at SLCC
Kalel Venkman: That's what I hear.
Kalel Venkman: Smitty Boyau is there.
Kalel Venkman: Said Tizzers has calmed down a lot since last year, nowhere near the festering boil of rage he was.
Kalel Venkman: But says he's still got some in him.
The rest of this conversation is for another time as we have to contact the subject of the following conversation.
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